{"id":11915,"date":"2020-08-03T01:45:28","date_gmt":"2020-08-02T21:45:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/fedai.az\/?p=11915"},"modified":"2020-08-03T01:45:36","modified_gmt":"2020-08-02T21:45:36","slug":"andrey-karaulov-qarabag-munaqis%c9%99si-o-vaxt-bit%c9%99c%c9%99k-ki-az%c9%99rbaycan-ozununku-olani-qaytaracaq-musahib%c9%99","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fedai.az\/?p=11915","title":{"rendered":"Andrey Karaulov: «Qaraba\u011f m\u00fcnaqi\u015f\u0259si o vaxt bit\u0259c\u0259k ki, Az\u0259rbaycan \u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fcnk\u00fc olan\u0131 qaytaracaq» — M\u00dcSAH\u0130B\u018f"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

Rusiyan\u0131n tan\u0131nm\u0131\u015f jurnalisti, teleapar\u0131c\u0131, «Moment istin\u0131», «Ruskiy vek» verili\u015fl\u0259rinin m\u00fc\u0259llifi Andrey Karaulovun APA<\/a>-n\u0131n Moskva m\u00fcxbirin\u0259 m\u00fcsahib\u0259si<\/p>\n\n\n\n

— Andrey Viktorovi\u00e7, ba\u015f ver\u0259n hadis\u0259l\u0259ri y\u0259qin ki, izl\u0259yirsiniz. Az\u0259rbaycan-Erm\u0259nistan s\u0259rh\u0259dind\u0259 ba\u015f ver\u0259nl\u0259ri n\u0259z\u0259rd\u0259 tuturam. Sizc\u0259, n\u0259 ba\u015f verir v\u0259 niy\u0259 ba\u015f verir?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

— Ba\u015f ver\u0259nl\u0259r \u00e7ox pisdir. M\u0259n\u0259 el\u0259 g\u0259lir ki, biz XXI \u0259srd\u0259 yen\u0259 \u0259vv\u0259lki s\u0259hvl\u0259rimizi t\u0259krarlay\u0131r\u0131q. Bu g\u00fcn ba\u015f ver\u0259nl\u0259r d\u0259lilikdir. Bu m\u00fcnaqi\u015f\u0259ni yaradanlar, t\u00f6r\u0259d\u0259nl\u0259r bunu yax\u015f\u0131 bilir. M\u0259n Qaraba\u011f m\u00fcnaqi\u015f\u0259si haqq\u0131nda Heyd\u0259r \u018fliyevl\u0259 \u00e7ox dan\u0131\u015fm\u0131\u015fam. Bunun nec\u0259 ba\u015f verm\u0259si haqq\u0131nda s\u00f6hb\u0259tl\u0259rimiz olub. O, m\u0259n\u0259 Erm\u0259nistan Kommunist Partiyas\u0131n\u0131n birinci katibi Karen D\u0259mir\u00e7yanla ild\u0259 2-3 d\u0259f\u0259 Qaraba\u011fa nec\u0259 s\u0259f\u0259r etdikl\u0259ri bar\u0259d\u0259 dan\u0131\u015f\u0131rd\u0131. Da\u011fl\u0131q Qaraba\u011fdak\u0131 erm\u0259nil\u0259r ya\u011f-bal i\u00e7ind\u0259 ya\u015fay\u0131rd\u0131lar. Qon\u015fular aras\u0131nda h\u0259r zaman m\u00fcbahis\u0259 olub. \u018fg\u0259r biz insanlar m\u00fcbahis\u0259l\u0259ri s\u00fclh yolu il\u0259 h\u0259ll ed\u0259 bilmiriks\u0259, o zaman biz insan deyilik. Bu g\u00fcn m\u00fcnaqi\u015f\u0259nin eskalasiyas\u0131 yeni \u00f6l\u00fcml\u0259r, yeni b\u0259db\u0259xtlikl\u0259r dem\u0259kdir. Bu, \u0259slind\u0259 h\u0259r bir erm\u0259niy\u0259, h\u0259r bir az\u0259rbaycanl\u0131ya z\u0259rb\u0259dir. Bu m\u00fcnaqi\u015f\u0259 o vaxt bit\u0259c\u0259k ki, Az\u0259rbaycan \u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fcnk\u00fc olan\u0131 qaytaracaq. Bu, onun torpa\u011f\u0131d\u0131r. \u018fks halda, bu m\u00fcnaqi\u015f\u0259 he\u00e7 vaxt bitm\u0259y\u0259c\u0259k. Erm\u0259nil\u0259r bundan b\u0259y\u0259m xo\u015fb\u0259xt olublar? M\u0259n o zaman Heyd\u0259r \u018fliyev\u0259 d\u0259 demi\u015fdim. M\u00fcharib\u0259d\u0259n 2 il sonra \u0130r\u0259vanda olmu\u015fdum. N\u0259 q\u0259d\u0259r erm\u0259ni Erm\u0259nistan\u0131 t\u0259rk edib. N\u0259 q\u0259d\u0259r az\u0259rbaycanl\u0131 h\u0259m Erm\u0259nistandan, h\u0259m d\u0259 i\u015f\u011fal alt\u0131ndak\u0131 \u0259razil\u0259rd\u0259n qa\u00e7q\u0131n v\u0259 m\u0259cburi k\u00f6\u00e7k\u00fcn d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcb. O zaman Tatar\u0131stan\u0131n ke\u00e7mi\u015f prezidenti Mintemir \u015eaymiyevl\u0259 Az\u0259rbaycana getmi\u015fdik. Heyd\u0259r \u018fliyev bizi qa\u00e7q\u0131nlar\u0131n \u00e7ad\u0131r \u015f\u0259h\u0259rciyin\u0259 apard\u0131. \u015eaymiyev a\u011flad\u0131, g\u00f6z ya\u015flar\u0131n\u0131 saxlaya bilm\u0259di. Bilirsiniz, Qaraba\u011f m\u00fcnaqi\u015f\u0259si erm\u0259nil\u0259rin h\u0259yat\u0131n\u0131 \u00e7ox q\u0131sald\u0131b. Ba\u015fqas\u0131n\u0131n olana nec\u0259 m\u0259nimki dem\u0259k olar?! T\u0259\u0259ss\u00fcfl\u0259r olsun ki, Erm\u0259nistan \u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fc el\u0259 apar\u0131r, el\u0259 bil b\u00fct\u00fcn bu faci\u0259l\u0259r ba\u015f verm\u0259yib, \u0130r\u0259van bo\u015falmay\u0131b, yoxsulluq ba\u015f verm\u0259yib. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

— Siz \u00f6t\u0259n \u0259srin sonlar\u0131nda — Erm\u0259nistan-Az\u0259rbaycan m\u00fcnaqi\u015f\u0259sinin qaynar d\u00f6vr\u00fcn\u00fcn d\u0259 \u015fahidi olmusunuz. Geosiyasi v\u0259ziyy\u0259t bax\u0131m\u0131ndan indiki d\u00f6vrl\u0259 80-ci ill\u0259rin sonu, 90-c\u0131 ill\u0259rin \u0259vv\u0259ll\u0259rini nec\u0259 f\u0259rql\u0259ndirirsiniz?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

— Dey\u0259rdim ki, yen\u0259 h\u0259min v\u0259ziyy\u0259tdir. O zaman da beyinl\u0259rd\u0259 n\u0259 idis\u0259, bu g\u00fcn d\u0259 odur. Bu, t\u0259kc\u0259 Qaraba\u011f m\u00fcnaqi\u015f\u0259sin\u0259 aid deyil. El\u0259 Abxaziyada da h\u0259min v\u0259ziyy\u0259tdir. Orda da vaxt dayan\u0131b. Abxazlar indi z\u0259ngin ya\u015fay\u0131rlar? Xeyr. O q\u0259d\u0259r dedil\u0259r m\u00fcst\u0259qillik, m\u00fcst\u0259qillik. Ald\u0131n\u0131z m\u00fcst\u0259qilliyi. Bundan sonra n\u0259?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Qaraba\u011fdan az\u0259rbaycanl\u0131lar\u0131n \u00e7\u0131xar\u0131lmas\u0131, \u00c7e\u00e7enistandan ruslar\u0131n \u00e7\u0131xar\u0131lmas\u0131, g\u00fcnahs\u0131z insanlar\u0131n evsiz-e\u015fiksiz qalmas\u0131, bunlar yax\u0131n tarixin \u0259n b\u00f6y\u00fck faci\u0259l\u0259ridir. Bunlar haqq\u0131nda film \u00e7\u0259km\u0259k olar. \u0130nsanlar tariximizi \u00e7ox pis bilirl\u0259r. \u018fg\u0259r tarixi bils\u0259ydil\u0259r, Qaraba\u011fdan insanlar\u0131n qovulduqlar\u0131n\u0131 bils\u0259ydil\u0259r, bu c\u00fcr hallar t\u0259krarlanmazd\u0131.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Heyd\u0259r \u018fliyevl\u0259 ba\u011fl\u0131 xatir\u0259ni xat\u0131rlatmaq ist\u0259yir\u0259m. Sumqay\u0131t hadis\u0259l\u0259ri ba\u015f vermi\u015fdi. Heyd\u0259r \u018fliyev anlay\u0131rd\u0131 ki, bunun arxas\u0131nda Az\u0259rbaycan xalq\u0131 deyil, D\u00f6vl\u0259t T\u0259hl\u00fck\u0259sizlik Komit\u0259si durur. Ona g\u00f6r\u0259 ki, erm\u0259nil\u0259rin \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fclm\u0259si siyah\u0131 \u0259sas\u0131nda ba\u015f vermi\u015fdi. DTK-s\u0131z, erm\u0259ni lobbisinin Mixail Qorba\u00e7ova t\u0259siri olmadan, \u015eahnazarov, Aqanbekyan\u0131n Qorba\u00e7ovla s\u00f6vd\u0259l\u0259\u015fm\u0259si olmadan bunu etm\u0259k m\u00fcmk\u00fcn deyildi. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Aqanbekyan\u0131n Fransan\u0131n «Humanite» q\u0259zetin\u0259 m\u00fcsahib\u0259si, m\u00fcsahib\u0259d\u0259 «Qorba\u00e7ov Qaraba\u011f\u0131n Az\u0259rbaycandan ayr\u0131lmas\u0131n\u0131 d\u0259st\u0259kl\u0259yir» dem\u0259si… Qorba\u00e7ovun irad\u0259si olmadan hiyl\u0259g\u0259r Aqanbekyan bunu dem\u0259zdi. B\u00fct\u00fcn bunlar ictimai r\u0259yi haz\u0131rlamaq \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn idi. Erm\u0259ni lobbisi AB\u015e-da g\u00fccl\u00fc idi, bu tarix\u0259n bel\u0259 olub. Qorba\u00e7ov \u015f\u0259xs\u0259n Qaraba\u011f\u0131n getm\u0259sin\u0259 raz\u0131l\u0131q vermi\u015fdi, Maltada Bu\u015fa Litvan\u0131n getm\u0259sin\u0259 raz\u0131l\u0131q verdiyi kimi… Erm\u0259nil\u0259r bunun m\u00fcqabilind\u0259 Qorba\u00e7ova \u00e7oxlu v\u0259d vermi\u015fdil\u0259r, AB\u015e-da erm\u0259ni lobbisi t\u0259r\u0259find\u0259n Bu\u015fa t\u0259sir v\u0259di verilmi\u015fdi. Qorba\u00e7ov v\u0259zif\u0259d\u0259 qalmaq \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn \u0259razi alverin\u0259 giri\u015fmi\u015fdi.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

O zaman Heyd\u0259r \u018fliyev M\u0259rk\u0259zi Komit\u0259y\u0259 ged\u0259r\u0259k ba\u015f ver\u0259c\u0259kl\u0259r bar\u0259d\u0259 d\u00f6vl\u0259ti x\u0259b\u0259rdar etm\u0259k ist\u0259yib. Onu Kommunist Partiyas\u0131n\u0131n M\u0259rk\u0259zi Komit\u0259sinin katibi Razumovski uzun m\u00fcdd\u0259td\u0259n sonra q\u0259bul edib, lakin qan t\u00f6k\u00fcl\u0259c\u0259yi il\u0259 ba\u011fl\u0131 x\u0259b\u0259rdarl\u0131qlar\u0131na qulaq asmam\u0131\u015fd\u0131lar. \u00c7\u00fcnki onlar siyas\u0259t\u00e7i deyildil\u0259r, konyuktura\u00e7\u0131 idil\u0259r. Da\u011fl\u0131q Qaraba\u011f\u0131n Qorba\u00e7ovun AB\u015e-la oyununda bir m\u0259qam oldu\u011funu ancaq axmaqlar anlamaya bilm\u0259zdi. Qorba\u00e7ov he\u00e7 Az\u0259rbaycan s\u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fc d\u00fcz dey\u0259 bilmirdi. Qaraba\u011f\u0131n x\u0259rit\u0259d\u0259 yerini d\u0259 g\u00f6st\u0259r\u0259 bilmirdi. Qorba\u00e7ov bunu torpa\u011fa g\u00f6r\u0259 m\u00fcnaqi\u015f\u0259 adland\u0131r\u0131rd\u0131. Bu c\u0259f\u0259ngiyyatd\u0131r, Qaraba\u011f Qorba\u00e7ovun hakimiyy\u0259td\u0259 qalmas\u0131, Boris Yeltsinin ke\u00e7m\u0259m\u0259si \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn AB\u015e-la oyunu idi. Lakin Boris Yeltsin ke\u00e7di, prezident oldu. Bu is\u0259 ayr\u0131 bir tarixdir. Ona g\u00f6r\u0259 d\u0259 Qorba\u00e7ovun bu g\u00fcn c\u0259miyy\u0259td\u0259 h\u00f6rm\u0259ti yoxdur. O \u00e7oxlu qan t\u00f6k\u00fcb. T\u0259k el\u0259 Bak\u0131da, h\u0259l\u0259 d\u0259 bilmirik ki, 90-c\u0131 ilin yanvar hadis\u0259l\u0259rind\u0259 n\u0259 q\u0259d\u0259r insan q\u0259tl\u0259 yetirilib. Qorba\u00e7ov hakimiyy\u0259td\u0259 qalmaq \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn \u00f6lk\u0259nin yar\u0131s\u0131n\u0131 verm\u0259y\u0259 haz\u0131r idi. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

— Nec\u0259 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcrs\u00fcn\u00fcz, indiy\u0259 kimi bu m\u00fcnaqi\u015f\u0259nin h\u0259lli \u015fans\u0131 olubmu? Olubsa, niy\u0259 ba\u015f tutmay\u0131b, kim buna mane olub?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

— Olub. Erm\u0259nistanda a\u011f\u0131ll\u0131 insanlar olsayd\u0131lar, \u00e7oxdan h\u0259ll olunmu\u015fdu. Erm\u0259nistanda o q\u0259d\u0259r istifad\u0259siz torpaqlar var ki. N\u0259yi b\u00f6l\u0259 bilmirl\u0259r? Orada o q\u0259d\u0259r bo\u015f \u0259razil\u0259r var ki… Erm\u0259nistan \u00c7in deyil, orada ya\u015famaq \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn kifay\u0259t q\u0259d\u0259r yer var. Bu ill\u0259r \u0259rzind\u0259 n\u0259 q\u0259d\u0259r erm\u0259ni \u0130r\u0259van\u0131 v\u0259 dig\u0259r \u015f\u0259h\u0259rl\u0259ri t\u0259rk edib.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

— H\u0259ll \u015fans\u0131 niy\u0259 qa\u00e7\u0131r\u0131ld\u0131?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

— Ona g\u00f6r\u0259 ki, Karen D\u0259mir\u00e7yan \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fcld\u00fc. D\u0259mir\u00e7yan sa\u011f qalsayd\u0131, b\u0259lk\u0259 d\u0259 m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259 h\u0259ll olunmu\u015fdu. Bu c\u00fcr siyas\u0259t\u00e7il\u0259r xalq\u0131 hans\u0131sa \u00e7\u0131x\u0131\u015f yoluna raz\u0131 sala bilirdil\u0259r. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

— Sizc\u0259, Rusiyan\u0131n bu m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259d\u0259 m\u00f6vqeyi nec\u0259 olmal\u0131d\u0131r? Bu g\u00fcn Kremlin tutdu\u011fu m\u00f6vqe Sizi qane edirmi?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

— Xeyr, bu g\u00fcn Rusiyan\u0131n bu m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259 il\u0259 ba\u011fl\u0131 m\u00f6vqeyi m\u0259ni qane etmir. Rusiya X\u0130N ancaq b\u0259yanatlarla kifay\u0259tl\u0259nm\u0259m\u0259lidir. \u015e\u00fcbh\u0259siz ki, bu g\u00fcn b\u00fct\u00fcn v\u0259ziyy\u0259tl\u0259rd\u0259n \u00e7\u0131x\u0131\u015f yolu var.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

— Sizc\u0259, Kreml n\u0259 etm\u0259lidir?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

— T\u0259r\u0259fl\u0259ri yola g\u0259tirm\u0259lidir. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

— Nec\u0259 v\u0259 hans\u0131 yolla?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

— Onu bilmir\u0259m. Heyd\u0259r \u018fliyev ki, bunu bacarm\u0131\u015fd\u0131. M\u00fcharib\u0259ni saxlam\u0131\u015fd\u0131. B\u00fct\u00fcn v\u0259ziyy\u0259tl\u0259rd\u0259n \u00e7\u0131x\u0131\u015f yolu var. Bunun \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn dialoq laz\u0131md\u0131r. \u018fg\u0259r Rusiya X\u0130N dialoq \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn bir s\u00f6z tapa bilmirs\u0259, onda he\u00e7 n\u0259. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

— 26 ildir ki, dialoq apar\u0131l\u0131r\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

— O dialoq deyil, dialoq imitasiyas\u0131d\u0131r. Q\u0131sa v\u0259 konkret olmaq laz\u0131md\u0131r. Stalinin d\u00f6vr\u00fcnd\u0259 oldu\u011fu kimi. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

— Qaraba\u011f m\u00fcnaqi\u015f\u0259sinin m\u00fcharib\u0259 yolu il\u0259 h\u0259llini nec\u0259, m\u00fcmk\u00fcn g\u00f6r\u00fcrs\u00fcn\u00fczm\u00fc?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

— Dialoq yoxdursa, ba\u015fqa yol yoxdur dem\u0259kdir. T\u0259\u0259ss\u00fcfl\u0259r olsun ki, qal\u0131r m\u00fcharib\u0259 yolu. Amma bu yol da yax\u015f\u0131 deyil. Az\u0259rbaycan\u0131n Qaraba\u011f\u0131 qaytarma\u011fa tarixi v\u0259 dig\u0259r c\u0259h\u0259tl\u0259rd\u0259n tam h\u00fcququ \u00e7at\u0131r. Bilirsiniz, \u0130sve\u00e7r\u0259 kimi balaca \u00f6lk\u0259l\u0259r m\u00fcharib\u0259 \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn deyil. Onlar\u0131n m\u00fcharib\u0259sind\u0259 qalib olmur, onlar ancaq bir-birini m\u0259hv edir. Bunu Heyd\u0259r \u018fliyev erm\u0259nil\u0259r\u0259 izah etmi\u015fdi. Balaca \u00f6lk\u0259l\u0259r ayr\u0131ca d\u00fcnyad\u0131r.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Da\u011fl\u0131q Qaraba\u011f t\u0259kc\u0259 Az\u0259rbaycan\u0131n v\u0259 ya Erm\u0259nistan\u0131n problemi deyil, d\u00fcnyan\u0131n problemidir.  Bu g\u00fcn  Moskva v\u0259 \u0130r\u0259van aras\u0131nda m\u00fcnasib\u0259tl\u0259r soyuqdur. Bu m\u00fcnaqi\u015f\u0259nin h\u0259lli \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn Rusiyan\u0131n Erm\u0259nistana yumruq g\u00f6st\u0259rm\u0259si laz\u0131md\u0131r. M\u0259n h\u0259min yumru\u011fu indi Rusiya t\u0259r\u0259find\u0259 g\u00f6rm\u00fcr\u0259m.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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